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[Au-Toe]

http://www.msnbc.msn.../business-autos

NEW YORK — Toyota recalled 1.13 million Corolla sedans and Matrix hatchbacks Thursday because their engines may stall, the latest in a string of quality problems at the Japanese automaker.

The recall covers vehicles from the 2005-2008 model years sold in North America.

Three accidents and one minor injury have been reported, though Toyota said a link to the engine issue has not been confirmed.

The automaker said vehicles with 1ZZ-FE engines may contain a defective engine control module, the computer that regulates the performance of the engine. In some cases, a crack may develop on the module's circuit board, which could prevent the engine from starting, harsh shifting or an engine stall.

Toyota said it will replace the engine control modules on the recalled vehicles at no charge. It will begin mailing notifications to customers with affected Corollas and Matrixes starting in mid-September.

Toyota Motor Corp. has recalled more than 10 million vehicles worldwide over the past year for a range of problems, including faulty gas pedals, floor mats that can trap accelerators and braking problems in its Prius hybrid.

Federal regulators have been investigating the possibility of engine stalls in the Corolla and Matrix models since December and intensified their probe earlier this week.

Toyota shares fell 28 cents to $68.78.

[Vipfreak]

All I can say is thank god once again I have an 04 and it's an XRS. lol

[Au-Toe]

Vipfreak, on Aug 26 2010, 11:11 AM, said:

All I can say is thank god once again I have an 04 and it's an XRS. lol

i think pre '05+
matrix had a window problem.
and everyone had to replace their clutch pretty quickly on the xrs.
but i'm not 100% sure on that.

[XR2003]

Au-Toe, on Aug 26 2010, 12:29 PM, said:

Vipfreak, on Aug 26 2010, 11:11 AM, said:

All I can say is thank god once again I have an 04 and it's an XRS. lol

i think pre '05+
matrix had a window problem.
and everyone had to replace their clutch pretty quickly on the xrs.
but i'm not 100% sure on that.

Yup the 03s & 04s had that passenger side front window bolt that needed to be tightened - a few even had driver side front windows issues as well. It's an easy fix if you DIY and look through the threads here.

This hasn't been a good year and a half for Toyota.

[Vipfreak]

Au-Toe, on Aug 26 2010, 12:29 PM, said:

i think pre '05+
matrix had a window problem.
and everyone had to replace their clutch pretty quickly on the xrs.
but i'm not 100% sure on that.

My clutch appears to be good when I got it at 71k (not that it's going to last under my current driving...), I have never experienced my windows falling yet and I use them a lot.

[Au-Toe]

Vipfreak, on Aug 26 2010, 11:45 AM, said:

Au-Toe, on Aug 26 2010, 12:29 PM, said:

i think pre '05+
matrix had a window problem.
and everyone had to replace their clutch pretty quickly on the xrs.
but i'm not 100% sure on that.

My clutch appears to be good when I got it at 71k (not that it's going to last under my current driving...), I have never experienced my windows falling yet and I use them a lot.

maybe the previous owner already did the fixes.

[Vipfreak]

Could be.

[Madstyle]

Nothing new. Seems The "05's + are still having problems with No Start and stalling again.
Automotive Recall and Technical Service Bulletin Titles for 2005 Toyota Matrix 2WD L4-1.8L

Service Bulletins
TSB Number & Issue Date TSB Title
EG030-05 JUL 05 Emissions - MIL ON/DTC P0465 (EVAP) Set
EG027-05 JUN 05 Fuel System - 'NO' Start Condition
EG045R-04 JUN 05 Engine Controls - Entering VIN When Replacing PCM/ECM
EL009-05 MAY 05 SRS - SRS/Passenger Air Bag OFF Lamps ON/DTC B1785
EG018-05 APR 05 Engine Controls - No Start Condition
NV005-05 APR 05 Body - Wind Noise From Front/Rear Door Glass Areas
EL005-05 APR 05 Restraints - Erratic Passenger Air Bag Lamp Operation
EG014-05 MAR 05 Cooling System - Radiator Cap Inspection Procedure
PG003-05 MAR 05 Exhaust System - Tailpipe Joint Clamp Installation
EG006-05 FEB 05 Engine Controls - MIL ON/DTC's P0171/P0441/P2420/P0455
TC002R-03 DEC 04 Engine/Transmission Controls - Resetting ECM Memory
AC009-04 DEC 04 A/C - Sensor Inspection Procedures
BO022-04 DEC 04 Restraint System - Seat Belt Extender Availability

[weather spotter]

Looks like I should get a new ECU for free!

[jburdman7]

This may be karma for Toyota for all the firmware updates they were refusing to do under warranty, but I digress...

Correct me if Im wrong but I believe there are choices programmed into the ECU like when you press 'unlock' on the keyfob, how long the delay is before the doors re-lock is a programmable choice.

This leaves me with many questions....

* If we want these options changed from the default, will Toyota do the programming free of charge as part of this recall?
I bought my Toyota used and my doors re-lock faster than the default setting. I was told it would be something silly like $60 to reprogram it.

* Will the techs use a procedure that transfers over any 'learned' engine adjustments?
(If these learned values are not transferred over, we can expect a decrease in gas mileage and performance until the values are re-learned by the new ECU.)

* If learned values will be transferred, will values like my door-lock delay be transferred also?

Perhaps now is the time to study what the programmable options are and see if they will re-program them for free.

[bluetrix]

weather spotter, on Aug 26 2010, 05:33 PM, said:

Looks like I should get a new ECU for free!

Haha ! I got one a couple of weeks ago ! Would have been nice if they'd recalled it before the ECM got sick !

[MatrixDom]

Au-Toe, on Aug 26 2010, 03:59 PM, said:

Toyota said it will replace the engine control modules on the recalled vehicles at no charge. It will begin mailing notifications to customers with affected Corollas and Matrixes starting in mid-September.

hmmm, I wonder if this depends on whether you have any warranty left on your car ... my powertrain warranty is running out in october or november, so do you guys think I should contact Toyota myself and try to get my ECU replaced ?? I don't like the sound of the mechanics snooping around my engine bay... I'd want to be right there to see it! lol

[CJandMJsMatrix]

for any recall, it doesn't matter if you're still under warranty or not. they will perform it for free. a recall is mandated by the NHTSA and automakers must comply to fix the problem free of charge as it is a safety related defect.

[Reggae-TRIX]

Ok but what about my '03 XRS, it stalls on its own once in a while (its been a while now also), and Toyota still does not know why as it does not even throw a CEL code. Matter of fact I think I have 3 threads talking about it...

[davda113]

what if you have aftermarket moddifications to the engine...will they still cover it?

[boredpnoy]

^ yes they should my local dealer here takes care of my gf rolla n she has plenty of mods under the hood

Edited by boredpnoy, 27 August 2010 - 11:08 AM.

[Photoslave]

think its even worth checking out

i mean when i stall its cause my foot slipped and i dumped the clutch
no probs other than that

[MatrixDom]

My car only has 44,000 km on it but I might take care of this asap so I'm not stuck In a bad situation in the future.

I figured I should ask this question here since its the main subject, will replacing the ECU affect anything like your odometer/trip , clock , radio stations , etc.

[Au-Toe]

MatrixDom, on Aug 27 2010, 09:30 AM, said:

My car only has 44,000 km on it but I might take care of this asap so I'm not stuck In a bad situation in the future.

I figured I should ask this question here since its the main subject, will replacing the ECU affect anything like your odometer/trip , clock , radio stations , etc.

they should all be ok.

but you'll probably lose your radio stations (stock radio) if they disconnect the battery for so long. and clock could possibly reset, but i doubt it.

[Reggae-TRIX]

Ok my car is acting up again, starting to stall on it's own......WTF